Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. He is an electrical wizard. VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? Get the full engine harness, the ezl unit, and the ecu. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Install without transmission. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. via Oppositelock. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. It's 80%. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. You must log in or register to reply here. It barely sticks now when floored. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. Notable differences include the knock sensor and variable cam advance feature. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. Makes a fantastic daily driver. Was real nice. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). You are using an out of date browser. Is a swap possible? It was built for the track and drifting. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. Hi Adriano. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. haha, no worries! The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. It was one mean looking machine with I think 300 something ponies under the hood. And still, the purists cried, "Heresy!" Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. While there Auto-Gruppen persuaded the turbocharged 3.2 L Mercedes M104 inline-six into making 953 hp and 1081 Nm (797 lb-ft) of torque to the wheels on 2.14 bar (31 psi) of boost from a EFR9180 turbocharger. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. It has a double overhead cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, and used a crossflow cylinder head. 20cm is slightly too long). Affectionately called the LS-190, the swap looked to be carefully planned out, and rather well executed. and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d-td-class/2408521-e36-amg-project.html?amp=1, nos AMG Bodykits C126 W126 W124 W201 W116 R107. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. These are the prices for the 95 E320 two years ago: $575.00 124 440 56 32 (early model run) $714.76 124 440 29 33 (late model run) You can type in these part numbers (or the number on your current harness) on FastLane to determine the current prices. The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? Power will be greater with an LS swap. all that accumulated grease and oil. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). Bolt starter to transmission later. I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. it isnt a direct swap. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. What engine can fit into this car? Navigation Menu. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Amg 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back hood... 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